very disappointing..

- sig radius is still far too high for frigs
- tank is still underwhelming considering the T1 resists
- i was hoping for more combat capability like mini combat recons
- maybe keres and sentinel could get some drone damage bonuses
- Hyena and kitsune could get some missile bonuses
- web and point ranges are already too high on Recons ....
- more ecm range is that really needed? can the kitsune even lock that far?
- 80% neut range seems excessive

overall more combat capability over long range e-war.... that's surely the permit of cruisers??

Meeh i rpefer now because i can use my hyena with AB with no shame on my soul.

Honestly, I was hoping for a speed increase, hp buff and .....covert ops cloaks, since that role isn't filled, a cheaper covert ops bridgeable ewar ship that can be used effectively with a gang of bombers.

Still, I'll not complain about having EAF V.

I can't understand how many people see something "Overpowered" Or just generally powerful and getting all excited about CCP giving them that powerful thing..

Instead of thinking of the fact that everyone else gets it.. and will have it even when you are not in it...


so many people just seem to get super excited at the thought of winmobiles...

Yeah it's kind of like a 20m ISK frigate was never intended to be part of battleship fleet comps or something...


What CCP isn't getting here is that nobody is going to like balancing ships around the idea of "you know what's a good counter to these? Bring more of them!" and that's exactly what these EAFs are at least within their hull class. You've made frigate hulls that can shut down other ships from well outside every other frigates lock range let alone damage range, wtf is the counter to these ships other than "bring your own!" or sniper ships several classes above them? Give me a gang of ships heavily comped towards EAFs and I guarantee no similar sized frig/Dessie gang is going to have a chance in hell of winning that engagement unless they bring their own EAFs to counter my EAFs, and that's terrible balancing.

Post buff stats: ~3500 EHP, cap stable with everything but the NOS running (you probably won't have something to drain if you're neuting the other guy), 80 DPS, 30km neuts neuting 108/cycle, ~2700m/s, it *should* be cap stable running at least 1 neut, the tracking disruptor and the warp disruptor without the cap booster after patch.

Basically what it comes down to is if it has turrets and is within 30km range of you, it's likely about to die a slow and horrible death. It'll have no cap to chase/kill you with, its guns won't be able to shoot anything, including your drones, and it will die as everything shuts down and your drones pick it apart.

I'm not a fan of the current changes being implemented. Those in this thread and others or in the past. One my my biggest issues is what I see as OVERLAP. Examples of overlap are as follows: Caracal/Bellicose, Myrmidon/Prophecy, Typhoon/Raven, Drake/Cyclone, and Dominix/Armageddon ETC.

In some cases Amarr drone ships are superior to Gallente ones and some Minmatar missile ships are as good or better than caldari ships of the same class. These ships DO THE SAME THING.

Anyway.

Here's an obvious but serious question. Why do electronic attack frigates have bonuses to multiple electronic warfare bonuses just like Recons? Shouldn't they have less capability? Not to mention the issue of OVERLAP between the 2 classes of ships?

In my opinion the electronic attack frigates should excel at one form of offensive electronic warfare module. For example:

- only bonuses for energy vampire and energy neutralizer on the Sentinel.
- only bonuses warp disruptor range on the Keres
- only bonuses stasis webifier range on the Hyena
- Kitsune does it thing.

and so on... There's no need for a bonus to tracking disruptors and remote sensor dampeners because they're already REALLY effective.

From this point on I'd just give them all resistance bonuses to add to survivability. I'd also limit their overall velocities to just under 2000 m/sec. None of these ships should be really fast in my opinion. These ships should focus mainly on Defense and their electronic warfare almost ignore damage all together.

What is signature and tracking? You can get a hyena to the point that a tracking bonused frigate with a web still has trouble hitting it. And that hyena can have an MSE and a masb.

hyena too good , why does it get so much boost , it is way faster than the kitsune and smaller too,btw why it gets such a huge lock range? it makes no sense ,it gets too much boost-->op

it was the smallest one still it gets the hugest sig reduction
it was the fastest one still it gets the hugest speed improvement
it had the lowest lock range (yeah it is a close range ship so who cares) then it gets the hugest improvement why?

I'm for removing the Sentinels drones ALL TOGETHER. in fact there electronic warfare ships should be focused ONLY on support and DO NO DAMAGE AT ALL. NO drones and NO turret or Missile hardpoints.

F*cking electronic warfare is becoming a pandemic = )

Reason they are flown less is more likely due to cost consideration, for the Sentinels abilities for instance you are better off running Inquisitors/Arbitrators if TD is your poison and the neuting Geddon if that is your thing.

-i wonder isnt it better to give any energy neuting ship a bigger cap bonus instead of recharge time 5% or 10% cap capacity!!
we use cap batteries of booster's for those ships!!!!!!!
- cap recharge is better for repper ships right?

So if I am looking at this properly, a Keres, being a T2 frig, is getting a huge buff in warp speed and acceleration, and with 2 meta 4 sensor damps, and level 4 skills, can damp it's target's own targeting range to 22.5% of it's standard.

Meantime, with a warp disruptor, it can point at 50 km, on overheat, for a little over a minute, which should be enough for some T2 cruiser buddies to get to the Keres to help out (BC's and BS's will take a lot longer). All the while overheating a Mwd at around 5,000 m/s, with a pure speed setup, and pushing 100 DPS with autocannons and drones for anti-warrior II work.

Yeah, that won't have too many people complaining, once it hits TQ.
This beast will make an inty look silly in low sec, at least, when it comes to effectiveness of tackling.

This thing could set an orbit at 40 km, point, wait for the attack ships to arrive, and only victim ships with a targeting range of over 175 km with be able to lock it.

The typical T2 HAC has a targeting range of 100-130 km, when in fleet bonus mode.
Most ships are a lot less. Even at 130 km, 22.5% = 29.25 km. The Keres can set an orbit at 35, not overheat the point, and can pretty sit there all day pulsing the o/h on the mwd to avoid any small drone aggro.

If you add on a Command ship to that, its lights out baby.

I imagine the backlash against sensor damps will be almost get as loud as the whining about ECM ,when the full impact of these ships hits.